Chad F on How Music Side Project Helps Musicians Self‑Host, Own Their Data & Join the Value‑for‑Value Music Movement

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Episode Summary

Chad F, web developer and creator of MusicSideProject 2.0 joins Rollz Radio to break down how musicians can self‑host their work, publish their own RSS music feeds, and plug directly into the value‑for‑value ecosystem using Lightning, Nostr, and Podcasting 2.0 extensions.

We explore the philosophy behind self‑sovereign music distribution, how RSS + XML unlock full artist control, why peer‑to‑peer payments matter, and how Music Side Project 2.0 modernizes the original vision for decentralized music publishing. Music Side Project is built for musicians who want sovereignty, flexibility, and direct connection with listeners. It helps you:

Create Podcasting 2.0‑compatible RSS feeds
Self‑host MP3s, artwork, and metadata
Add Lightning payment info for streaming sats
Add Nostr identity for cross‑app tagging
Include funding links (PayPal, Patreon, Buy Me a Coffee)
Maintain full ownership of their distribution

Chad also shares insights on vibe‑coding, hosting options for MP3s, how splits work for collaborators, and his music‑first V4V player Stable Kraft.

Chapter Markers

00:45 — Introducing Chad F & Music Side Project 2.0
01:03 — Why Music Side Project Exists
01:25 — RSS, XML & The Problem MSP Solves
04:43 — Open Source Philosophy & Artist Sovereignty
06:01 — Why Artists Should Self‑Host
09:04 — Nostr + Lightning + Value Block
12:19 — Splits for Collaborators
17:44 — Hosting Options: WordPress, Dropbox, Nostr.build
19:19 — Nostr.build as a Simple Storage Layer
20:37 — Self‑Sovereignty & Owning Your Web Space
23:58 — StableKraft: A Music‑First V4V Player
25:03 — Breaking the “Podcast‑Only” Stigma
27:53 — Why Music Fits Podcasting 2.0

Key Topics

Self‑hosting music — why musicians should own their distribution layer
RSS + XML for music — how feeds work, metadata, artwork, MP3 links
Value‑for‑Value — streaming sats, boosts, peer‑to‑peer support
Lightning payments — instant micropayments directly to artists
Nostr identity — npubs, zaps, cross‑app identity
Music Side Project 2.0 — features, hosting options, feed creation
Vibe coding — building tools without a traditional coding background
Stable Kraft — a music‑first V4V player built on Podcasting 2.0
Splits for collaborators — handling payments for non‑Bitcoin users
Hosting MP3s — WordPress, Nostr.build, personal servers

About the Guest — Chad F

Chad is an vibe-coder focused on making decentralized music distribution accessible for everyday musicians. Through MusicSideProject.com, he helps artists generate Podcasting 2.0‑compatible RSS feeds, integrate Lightning + Nostr, and self‑host their music without relying on centralized platforms.

He also builds experimental V4V tools, including StableKraft, a curated music‑first player showcasing RSS‑powered music releases.

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Transcript

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When you’re, for example, generating your XML file, your RSS feed on, say, musicsideproject.com, if you’re a musician and you’ve uploaded an album or a track, suppose someone doesn’t use Noster, Lightning, any of that, can you put in like a placeholder for someone who might be into sharing their music, but not into the Bitcoin ecosystem?

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The way we’ve done that in the past is you would just like make a wallet for them and just add their information in like you would your own.

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Like, you know, I send a Lightning payment in

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and half goes to you and half goes to them.

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It’s just in like another wallet you have and it just sets there and if they want it someday you can give that to them.

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Rolls Radio.

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One is for the time.

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Two is for the spades.

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Today I’m talking with Chad F, the creator of musicsideproject.com, a tool built to help musicians self-host their work and publish their own RSS music feeds.

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Chad is an open source builder who’s making it easier for artists to control their music distribution, own their data, and plug directly into the value for value ecosystem.

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So let’s dig into it.

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Chad, what’s going on?

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Hey, how’s it going?

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Yeah, thanks for having me on here.

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This is actually the

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First podcast I’ve done promoting Music Side Project.

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So I’m excited.

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I’m very excited about it because I’ve learned so much just from seeing the things you’ve built and doing my own use of Music Side Project, which we can talk about in a little bit.

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But first I want to just get your origin story into, I guess, RSS music and RSS feeds and XML.

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What problem did you notice that pushed you to build Music Side Project?

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Really.

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Okay, so I’ve been following the podcasting 2.0 project since it started almost six years ago.

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And I was a no agenda listener before that.

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So I’ve been following Adam Curry.

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So when he started, which for those who know, he actually kind of co-invented podcasting.

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So when he started podcasting 2.0, I was all for it.

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So I jumped in and yeah, we’ve just been building cool stuff.

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over the years.

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And then we knew music was going to be part of it at some point.

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And that kind of all took off about three years ago.

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And I’ve just kind of been following along as like a, just like a user pretty much and a listener and just kind of, helping people test stuff.

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And then about a year ago, I discovered Vibe Coding.

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And I’ve just been building little things here and there that I’ve kind of always wanted or people just wanted to build.

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And I’ve kind of have enough knowledge just from following along that I’m able to kind of piece stuff together and hopefully build stuff people like.

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Well, I think that is part of what makes the interfaces that I’ve used that you’ve built really good and user friendly is because you approach it from the user side.

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You mentioned vibe coding.

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Can you go into that for just a second?

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What is vibe coding?

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So basically you kind of like, I’m using AI to build a bunch of this stuff.

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So you kind of, you kind of like give it the pieces and it kind of does all the code for you on the back end.

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So I kind of have the, I got the luxury of kind of knowing what a bunch of these pieces are and just kind of pulling from a bunch of different sources and saying, hey, let’s put

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Let’s use this piece from here, this piece, and just, I don’t know, you just kind of, it kind of leads you through, I guess, kind of like how you would do art or like music with a, but it’s, because I don’t have any, like I don’t have any kind of coding background at all.

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And I just kind of jumped into it and

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But there’s so much that goes into being the user and knowing what you want because you can and with AI and how it’s progressing to be able to just say generate code for me.

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I mean, I built a like a silly online digital audio workstation, like a recording interface where you can just go on and using your microphone that’s already in your computer, press record and get something going and recording just by vibe coding.

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I guess I just asked AI like, hey, what do I do?

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And it’s like, here you go.

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and then I clicked things and I broke things and I said refine this and refine that.

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Okay, so thanks for going into that.

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I was just curious if, yeah, if you did have a background in coding or not.

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It sounds like you’re using AI to build, which is excellent.

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Your tools are really great.

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I will talk about some of them, but obviously we’re going to dive mostly into music side projects.

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So give me just a little bit about your philosophy on the open source culture and the self-hosting of music and why it’s important for artists and basically how does this thinking

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shape the way that you build for, we’ll just take musicians in this case, you built music side projects.

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What’s the why behind that and your kind of philosophy on that?

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Oh, first off, music side project has actually been around for a couple years.

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And so I actually didn’t come up with the idea.

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I just kind of updated it for a modern

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for modern stuff.

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There’s a guy, Stephen B, that built a bunch of this podcasting 2.0 stuff early on.

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And he wanted a way for musicians to be able to self-host their music.

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And he kind of lost a little bit of interest in it.

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And I picked it up a couple months ago.

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So I’ve took what he did and just revamped it.

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So this is actually why it’s called Music Side Project 2.0.

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and some of the stuff because there was a music side project 1.0 and this is kind of modernizing it and adding stuff.

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But yeah, I mean, the idea behind it is like artists should be able to be in full control of their music.

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And we’re just using RSS that podcasting has been using for 20 years.

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So like if you have like your own website, you just

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You go to musicsideproject.com, you just fill out the information like I would imagine you would on other music sites where you’re hosting your music and then you figure out how you wanna, where you wanna put your RSS feed and I’ll help you with that or you can do it yourself and then it goes in the podcast index and then any apps that are pulling from that have your music to do with

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what they want.

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So just kind of, it’s like you’re in full control.

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And I’m trying to, I’m trying to guide you through it without just doing it for you.

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Because I don’t really want to host anyone’s content.

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It’s, because Music Side Project’s more of a RSS feed creation tool that I’m trying to put, I’m trying to put some like hosting tools in to like try to make it easier for people without just doing it.

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So there’s kind of like this

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It’s this little bit of line where there’s a little bit of effort you have to put in, but it’s trying to give you as much control as you can have without just doing it for you in a way and trying to strike that balance.

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Yeah, and you stated, you mentioned that it’s your goal with all this, right?

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Make it as easy as possible for artists to self-host their music.

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To contrast what we’re talking about and give the listeners just a little bit of more the alternative, right, is the main distribution platforms, the centralized distribution platforms of Spotify, Apple, iTunes, just the traditional ways people are distributing music.

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Now this takes it to a step back and it allows the artist to basically own their own space without

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kicking it, kicking it out to somebody to distribute.

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And so I guess if we’re getting into it a little bit more RSS feed, it’s essentially just a XML document that a podcasting app or podcasting 2.0 app reads and it tells to pull this track from here or pull this artwork from here.

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And here’s all the metadata.

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So in other words,

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with utilizing RSS and XML documents or XML codes and RSS feeds, you as the producer or musician has full control over every aspect of your work.

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In other words, you’re not sending it out to Spotify, you’re not to say that any of that’s bad, that gets you distribution too, but this is just the way.

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And I guess this is the part where we’d make the connection to the value block.

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So in Music Side Project 2.0, you’re building it on the Noster protocol, which is the social networking protocol, and the Lightning Network, which is the Bitcoin layer 2 protocol.

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So can you go into a little bit of how Noster and Lightning interact with making this value part of what makes RSS music distribution worth it for musicians to explore?

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So we kind of, one of the goals of podcasting 2.0 has always been trying to, trying to add some kind of peer-to-peer payment system.

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And we stumbled upon Bitcoin a couple years back and we’ve been slowly trying to add that to apps.

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So you can put

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So if you have a lightning address, you can put that in your feed.

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Because you pretty much hit the nail on the head with what the feed is.

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The feed’s just your, it’s your information that you collect and then apps can pull that in and use however much of it they want.

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So the Bitcoin part is you put a lightning address in your feed and then apps can

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show that and listeners can support you directly through that.

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So they can listen to your song and they can, stream you, 100 sats a minute or whatever.

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Or they can even just do what we call a boost where they hit the button, they can send you a one time payment and they can even add a message to it.

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And that goes right from them to you with not really any, anyone in between.

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So you’re not sending

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you’re not sending your money to Spotify or other sites and waiting, I don’t know, a year or so to get a couple cents out.

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You can connect directly with the listener and that’s all just right in the RSS feed with all your other info.

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Yeah, it’s a great combination of the peer-to-peer functionality that Bitcoin

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is built on and the Lightning Network delivers at the micro payment speed.

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So if you’re a listener, you’ve never been on Noster before, you’re not familiar with what zapping and boosting is, it’s basically a protocol that allows users to, like in Facebook or Instagram or whatever, you press the like button, the love button.

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There’s that is also in the Noster social protocol as well, but there’s a function that lets you send satoshis, which are

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little small pieces of Bitcoin.

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And this is direct, immediate sharing value directly with someone who is producing work.

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And this goes beyond music and art.

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Obviously, this is just one small application.

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I had a guest on, Alex Nickel, who was like, this is a niche within a niche, right?

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So that’s what we’re talking about here.

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But it’s so cool.

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One thing that I was brainstorming when I was thinking about what I wanted to talk to you about is this concept of the splits.

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I was curious.

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So when you’re on, for example, generating your XML file, your RSS feed on say musicsideproject.com, and you’re going through and it’s just like any, if you’re a musician and you’ve uploaded an album or a track to a band camp or even though Spotify or anything, it asks for your artwork, it asks for all of these, the different tracks when you’re publishing an album, all of that stuff.

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Now, with the advent of all the metadata that you can include, and you include your payment, whether it’s a Lightning address, you include your Noster public key, you know, your keys so you can track across all different Noster apps.

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But suppose someone doesn’t use Bitcoin, Noster, Lightning, any of that.

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Can you put in like a placeholder for a non-holder?

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someone who might be just into sharing their music, but not into the Bitcoin ecosystem.

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So in other words, if I was to put a split for I have a drummer or somebody who contributed on my track, but they’re not necessarily in this ecosystem, is there a way that you could place hold like say 50% of the every zap that comes in or every boost that comes in that puts it somewhere?

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Maybe it’s in my

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somewhere in the network.

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But that, eventually it’s like, hey, there’s some Bitcoin here for you because people liked this track we produced together.

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Do you know what I’m getting at?

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Is there a placeholder type of thing for this?

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Does that work that way?

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The way we’ve done that in the past is like you would just like make a wallet for them and just add their information in like you would your own.

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Like you would, like if you’re going to

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If you’re going to try to convince them to take these sats down the road, you kind of have to be in charge of that.

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So you, like you just spin them up a wallet somewhere and you just put that information in.

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And if I, send a lightning payment in and half goes to you and half goes to them, it’s just in like another wallet you have and it just sats there.

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And if they want it someday, you can give that to them.

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Or if they don’t, you can

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keep it or yeah, however you want.

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Yes, you can.

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I mean, we’ve done that before with a lot of people that we’ve kind of like onboarded to the idea of like releasing their music this way, but they’re not really interested in the Bitcoin thing.

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But we’re like, hey, we’ll just, we’ll make, I’ll make you a wallet and I’ll just, I’ll keep track of it.

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And if you ever want it, here it is.

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So it’s kind of

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Yeah, I guess there’s no real easy way.

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I guess just making them one is pretty easy.

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So you just have to do that.

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Or you could even just take 100% of it yourself and then just kind of try to keep track of half of it.

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But I think just making them a wallet as a placeholder and just have it automatically go there.

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just makes it easy and then you just have to keep track of it.

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And just the reason that this is beneficial and better than just say using, I don’t know, a credit card or a debit card attached to your bank, there’s so many features.

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attached to that.

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I mean, we can get into the value proposition of Bitcoin versus fiat currency, but that’s essentially what we’re talking about here.

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It’s the ability to pay someone directly for their work completely, not have to go through middleman banking and get fees and all this stuff shaved off the top.

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You’re getting your money directly to the artist who created it.

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And that’s what value for value means, right?

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That’s the whole, that’s the crux of this whole thing.

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Chad, maybe just go into a little bit of detail.

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I did my own experiment where I used musicsideproject.com.

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I’ve submitted the RSS feed and now I’m just kind of waiting for it to populate.

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I probably have to configure something a little different, but I did.

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I went through the builder, which is super easy, by the way, and I’ll share the video that you shared with me on my post for this episode so people can see it and they can go there and they can

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how easy it is.

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I mean, it takes 5 minutes and you just get your links together.

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But you’ve got to your point, you’ve got to find a place to host your MP3.

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I’m hosting it on my wordpress.org build for my website, rolesmacgyver.com.

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I’ve uploaded the MP3 file there.

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And MP3 is going to be better than waves, obviously, because waves are huge and take up space.

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But that’s a totally different conversation as far as music quality is concerned.

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But MP3s

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or what podcasts are distributed on.

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You can do waves, but that’s a different story.

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So I’m hosting on that.

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And then I’m also, I used Music Side Project 2.0.

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I used that site to generate my XML document.

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I basically used all of it and I said, no, I’m going to download the XML.

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And then I hosted that also on my wordpress.org.

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Yeah, I hosted that there as well as my image for my track, my album artwork.

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Now, what do you suggest people do and what are the alternatives?

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There’s obviously they can host it on MSP.

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There’s different options with noster.build, which is also a place to host music.

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I mean, can somebody just essentially put their MP3 from Bandcamp or SoundCloud?

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You know what I’m getting at, I guess.

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What would what’s your

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thought process there.

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Honestly, that’s kind of a gray area for me because I’m not I’m not actually a musician.

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So I’m not actually like I’m not actually using using the tool I’m building.

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So from the people that have used it so far, a lot of people just use their own website, like you said, because you

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You need somewhere to put your MP3s in your art because I don’t offer that.

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So usually wherever you have that stuff usually works, but not a lot of options have been explored.

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So I don’t know if Bandcamp would work or any other options out there.

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Like someone would have to just try it and see, because I don’t like,

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Yeah, I don’t know.

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kind of with this all still kind of being new, there’s still like some gray areas to kind of figure out and just kind of have people, I guess, just trying it to see what works.

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But I think most people are using their own website or that nasr.build quick video I made.

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It’s almost like Google Drive or like Dropbox.

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kind of where you just dump your files on there and then you just copy the link to it and put it on music side project and it points to it.

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You do have to pay $15 a year for Nostr.build, but I don’t, I mean, that’s $1.50 a month.

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I don’t think that’s so bad.

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And there’s other free options, but it’s been around for a while.

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And I think it’s, yeah, I think it’s a good like middle ground.

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without having to go through all the headaches of trying to figure out like your own site or whatever.

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And you can do that and play around with it.

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And then I’ll make your feed and stuff for you if you follow the video.

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And it’s, yeah, we’re kind of, I don’t know, like we’re still building out.

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So we just kind of need people to just try stuff and see if it works.

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And I do need some help with just different hosting options that people figure out because that’s kind of a

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not something I’ve looked into too much.

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I just kind of built this based off the original version and the people that use the original are using the new one and it’s all working.

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Yeah, and we’re talking about self-sovereignty, right?

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And the idea of people hosting their own and owning their own spot on the web.

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So I mean, yeah, your own website, you know, whatever hosting service you have,

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Obviously, you’re paying for storage one way or another.

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that’s going to be just how it is unless you operate your own servers, at which point you’re paying for those, right?

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So at any point, you’ve got to find storage for your music.

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That’s the part.

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So I’m going to, like I said, I’m going to share the video and do a little more write up on the post.

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But is there anything else on music side project that you want to share or that I missed or maybe I didn’t touch on?

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I think you did a pretty good.

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job.

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Since we talked about the value block a good bit, there’s also a funding section.

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So like this is also set up for people that don’t even want to worry about Bitcoin that just want to self host their music.

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So if you have like a, yes, if you have like a Patreon or a PayPal or like a buy me a coffee or whatever, you can actually just put that link in the funding section

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and apps will show that.

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So instead of the boost button for Bitcoin, you can, I mean, you can just have a PayPal link right there in the app and someone can click that and go to your PayPal and, send you 10, 20 bucks if they wanted to.

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So there’s, different avenues and it’s not just, yeah, like it’s, all still RSS, but there’s, you know, there’s Bitcoin, there’s a Bitcoin Ave.

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and then there’s also

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normal, I guess, Fiat, if you want to, Ave.

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But I mean, that’s pretty much it.

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I think he did a good, yeah, good overview.

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What’s the significance of the Noster of connecting your Noster?

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It’s just, it basically just supports that protocol.

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So you can have another place where you’re using the same profile across apps, Noster apps, right?

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Yeah, it like if I’m hosting

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if I’m making and hosting your feed for you, if you log in with Nostr, that ties your Nostr identity to the feed.

00:22:49 Speaker 2

So when you come back and you have a new album or if you need to edit something, it lets me link you to that without having to do like a username and password or anything.

00:22:59 Speaker 2

And plus it lets me pull in your lightning address right from your Nostr profile.

00:23:05 Speaker 2

So that’s a benefit.

00:23:06 Speaker 2

And something I’ve kind of been playing around with is actually just putting

00:23:11 Speaker 2

your NPub for your Nostra profile in the feed so that apps can start pulling that in.

00:23:19 Speaker 2

So like when a user sends you a boost, they have your NPub so they can tag you in it without having to like manually type it in like some apps do.

00:23:30 Speaker 2

So it’s just kind of, that’s all kind of new stuff we’ve been doing, but I’m trying to like, it’s kind of like to just prove ownership.

00:23:40 Speaker 2

and stuff and just kind of playing around with that to see what we can do.

00:23:44 Speaker 1

Yeah.

00:23:45 Speaker 1

that’s awesome.

00:23:46 Speaker 1

So regarding your other open source projects, you have a whole list of them.

00:23:50 Speaker 1

And is there anything else that’s relevant here or even just like curious what else you’re working on?

00:23:58 Speaker 2

Yeah, I got a bunch of little things, but if someone’s kind of interested on my take on a value for value music site,

00:24:07 Speaker 2

If you go to Stable Kraft, that’s Kraft with a K, K-R-A-F-T dot app, that’s a music, yeah, value for value music player I’ve been working on for probably the past year.

00:24:23 Speaker 2

And it pulls in all this music that we’ve been talking about.

00:24:30 Speaker 2

Now it is curated for

00:24:35 Speaker 2

certain reasons, most of it being kind of spam and just to kind of filter out some stuff.

00:24:42 Speaker 2

But there’s, I mean, if you’ve come across someone on like Noster, chances are their music’s probably on there.

00:24:49 Speaker 2

So if you want to, I don’t know, just see what, see what like a music first player, because we’re trying to, with this kind of being built on podcasting 2.0, there’s kind of this

00:25:03 Speaker 2

There’s kind of the stigma that like it’s only podcasting, but we’re trying to, we’re trying to break away from that and say, hey, we’re using, you know, we’re using the podcasting tech, but it’s not, it doesn’t have to be a podcast app that also does music.

00:25:18 Speaker 2

You can do a music first app.

00:25:20 Speaker 2

And that’s kind of what Stablecraft is, at least my take on it.

00:25:26 Speaker 2

And I just kind of throw a bunch of stuff there.

00:25:28 Speaker 2

I’m testing out and

00:25:30 Speaker 2

Try not to break it.

00:25:32 Speaker 1

I like that.

00:25:32 Speaker 1

No, it’s cool.

00:25:33 Speaker 1

I agree with you that stigma exists.

00:25:35 Speaker 1

I never thought about it, but you’re absolutely right.

00:25:37 Speaker 1

Podcasting, it’s the protocol that built it.

00:25:40 Speaker 1

And we’re just saying, hey, now you can look, you don’t you can use this for this is why it’s so cool for musicians.

00:25:46 Speaker 1

And when I discovered this just, you know, not six months ago, just this idea of

00:25:52 Speaker 1

using music here.

00:25:53 Speaker 1

I actually had been doing it back in 2017 when I had a podcast.

00:25:56 Speaker 1

I would play music over my RSS feed, my band’s music, and that was just like, because it made sense to me.

00:26:03 Speaker 1

I was like, oh, I got my listeners here.

00:26:04 Speaker 1

They’re going to hear, you know, we talk about making music.

00:26:07 Speaker 1

Let’s show them the song.

00:26:08 Speaker 1

So at the end of the day, it just makes perfect sense.

00:26:11 Speaker 1

It was like coming full circle for me.

00:26:13 Speaker 1

So I’m just elated to be able to connect with folks like yourself who are creating these types of things and just discovering the V4V community has been really cool.

00:26:22 Speaker 1

So what’s the future for you as far as what’s the roadmap?

00:26:26 Speaker 1

What are you working on next?

00:26:28 Speaker 1

What are you excited about?

00:26:29 Speaker 1

What’s your vision?

00:26:33 Speaker 2

Really, I just kind of want to try to build out music side project more because I think it’s I think it’s stable now.

00:26:42 Speaker 2

and I’ve had enough people that have been doing this for a while, build it.

00:26:49 Speaker 2

And I just kind of want, I don’t know, I just want to try to get more people to use it and try to, I don’t know, I just want people to try to build cool apps and I’m trying to, I don’t know, just take a piece in it.

00:27:02 Speaker 2

And I’ve got a bunch of other little stuff I’m working on, but that’s all just experimental because instead of, I don’t know, instead of cramming all the ideas into one place, I’ve kind of, like if I

00:27:12 Speaker 2

With the vibe coding stuff, if I kind of get an idea, I’ll go out and kind of build something.

00:27:17 Speaker 2

And that leaves me with like 6 or 8 little projects.

00:27:21 Speaker 2

But they all kind of feed into each other.

00:27:23 Speaker 1

Yeah, that’s like juggling projects.

00:27:25 Speaker 1

That’s like, keeps my mind going.

00:27:27 Speaker 1

I need like at least three projects going on to feel like if I get stuck on one, I can at least pick up on another.

00:27:34 Speaker 2

Yeah, and some of them are just kind of for fun.

00:27:36 Speaker 2

So you can kind of like take a break from it.

00:27:39 Speaker 2

But yeah, I don’t know.

00:27:41 Speaker 2

I’m just trying to

00:27:42 Speaker 2

Because music is, I really enjoy the music part of podcasting 2.0 and kind of like, kind of like what you mentioned a little bit ago.

00:27:53 Speaker 2

Like it’s still, the reason the music stuff fits into podcasting 2.0 so well is because it’s still MP3s and like JPEGs for artwork.

00:28:04 Speaker 2

So it’s still, like we knew from the beginning that like we would branch off into music at some point.

00:28:10 Speaker 2

So like it’s still

00:28:12 Speaker 2

there’s no difference between a three hour, podcast or a three minute song.

00:28:18 Speaker 2

So it’s still all the same.

00:28:22 Speaker 2

And yeah, I’m just, I don’t know, I’m just trying to, I feel like it’s in the point now where I can kind of promote music side project a little more.

00:28:30 Speaker 2

That’s kind of my goal, one of my goals at the moment.

00:28:33 Speaker 1

All right, so people go to musicsideproject.com for the website.

00:28:38 Speaker 1

Where do people go to find you and where else would you like to kind of send people for more information?

00:28:45 Speaker 2

If you’re hearing this, you can probably just find me on Noster at JF and 33 others.

00:28:53 Speaker 2

But that’s.

00:28:55 Speaker 1

I got to ask about the 33 others.

00:28:56 Speaker 1

That’s pretty good.

00:28:58 Speaker 1

You got a whole army behind you.

00:29:01 Speaker 2

But if you actually go to musicsideproject.com and click the menu in the top right, hit info, scroll down, my contact information is there.

00:29:09 Speaker 2

Like I’m on Mastodon.

00:29:10 Speaker 2

There’s A Twitter handle, Noster, e-mail.

00:29:13 Speaker 2

So if anyone uses this and has any issues or needs some guidance, just hit me up because we’re still in the early days.

00:29:24 Speaker 2

So any feedback is helpful and fresh eyes.

00:29:29 Speaker 2

help me kind of know what the holdups and stuff are.

00:29:35 Speaker 1

All right.

00:29:35 Speaker 1

Well, any closing thoughts?

00:29:40 Speaker 2

No, not really.

00:29:41 Speaker 2

Just, I don’t know, just trying to, you know, we’re trying to put the control back in the musician’s hands and try to build, I don’t know, just trying to build cool new tools to kind of interact with

00:29:56 Speaker 2

fans and each other and just trying to build this little, DIY community for people that just want to really just want to share their music with people and kind of not try to make as few barriers as possible for fans to do that because it’s just like, hey, here, like just here’s the music, go here, hit play.

00:30:21 Speaker 2

If you enjoy it, you can send me some value back.

00:30:24 Speaker 2

And that’s

00:30:25 Speaker 2

That’s really it.

00:30:26 Speaker 1

I love it.

00:30:27 Speaker 1

All right, so if you’re a musician and you want to publish your own RSS feed, go check out musicsideproject.com.

00:30:32 Speaker 1

It’s free, open source, and built specifically to help artists take control of their distribution.

00:30:38 Speaker 1

Huge thanks to my guest, Chad F, for sharing the vision.

00:30:41 Speaker 1

Chad, have a great day.

00:30:42 Speaker 1

Thanks, man.

00:30:43 Speaker 2

All right, thank you.

00:30:43 Speaker 2

I got to eat, so it’s back.

00:30:45 Speaker 3

I never go back.

00:30:48 Speaker 3