Anti‑Narrative Songwriting, Decentralized Music, and V4V Music Spotlight – with Matt Finlay

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Rollz Radio Episode 10 | Hosted by Rollz McGuyver

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Episode Summary

In this episode of Rollz Radio, I sit down with Matt Finlay — a genre‑agnostic musician, decentralized creator, and host of the V4V Music Spotlight podcast. Matt’s songwriting is rooted in what he calls anti‑narrative expression: dissent, humor, punk energy, and a refusal to follow mainstream messaging. His EP Government Approved blends raw punk aesthetics with Solfeggio frequencies and 432 Hz tuning, creating a sonic signature that’s both experimental and confrontational.

We explore Matt’s journey into music, his move into decentralized distribution, his entrance into Nostr, and his mission to grow the V4V music ecosystem.

Episode Chapters

  • 00:00:00 Intro & Future of Decentralized Music
  • 00:00:39 What is Value for Value?
  • 00:01:57 Meet Matt Finlay
  • 00:02:06 Anti-Narrative Songwriting
  • 00:07:25 Music: Daddy Government by Matt Finlay Ft. Courage is The Cure
    00:10:56 Government Approved EP & DIY Production
    00:13:02 432Hz and Solfeggio Frequencies
    00:17:01 Discovering Nostr
    00:19:25 The V4V Music Spotlight Podcast
    00:21:05 Spotify, Community, and Artist Sovereignty
    00:23:05 The Future of Decentralized Music
    00:24:10 Advice for New Creators
    00:25:14 What’s Next for Matt?
    00:26:04 Where to Find Matt
    00:26:56 Boosts & V4V Segment
    00:36:09 Closing Remarks
    00:36:16 Music: All on a Mission by Rollz a

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Transcript

00:00:00 Speaker 1

So what do you think the future of decentralized music and V4V is?

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It’s stagnated, I think.

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It came a long way basically before I discovered it very fast.

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There’s some really great people working on things in the background to resolve issues, to make it easier for people to actually jump in.

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You don’t have to learn about all this technology to reduce, lower those hurdles.

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for getting involved.

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I just interviewed Christian Luenberg, who’s just releasing a music player app, which that’s the goal for that app is to lower those hurdles for people getting involved and getting started.

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Rolls Radio.

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Today’s guest is Matt Finlay, genre agnostic musician and host of the V4V Music Spotlight Podcast.

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Matt, welcome to the show.

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Thanks, Rose.

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Thanks for having me here.

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You describe your songwriting as anti-narrative.

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What’s the significance of this through the lens of decentralized music?

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It’s a good question.

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So the anti-narrative, really, I started releasing music during the COVID period of times.

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And I was just

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making statements and not I wasn’t wanting to go along with the narrative that a lot of artists were I guess promoting.

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So I just wanted to give a different side of the story, show a bit of dissent and I wasn’t seeing much of that at the time.

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And as far as the decentralized, yeah, look, I

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anything we can do to get away from the platforms, be more self-sufficient, more self-reliant and less controllable.

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That’s how that ties in.

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So what pushed you towards making music in the 1st place?

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I assume you were a musician before that and you just kind of, have you been writing much longer than that?

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Yeah, I had bands, you know, as a teenager and

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I had just been experimenting, playing around with music in a home studio without actually really doing much, much releasing.

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And yeah, just a few bands in between.

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It was just that COVID times where I wasn’t getting much pushback from the artists when I was expecting the punks and the anti establishments.

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artists that I thought would be really pushing back.

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I just didn’t hear food from the large majority of them.

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And that’s what gave me the impetus to actually complete stuff.

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I had a lot of stuff that I never really completed and released.

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And the way I chose to do it was to do it through YouTube and a video.

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I wasn’t interested in doing it Spotify or anything like that.

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And I was all just learning as I go.

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So

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Yeah, that’s where it all came from.

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So do you view songwriting can be an inspiration or influence?

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Do you feel like good songwriting can have an influence in shaping the way people think?

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And then also a kind of a second part of that question, do you view your music as a form of resistance or is it more about personal expression that happens to align with those ideas?

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When I released the first track in 2020, I chose to release it.

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I hadn’t really used social media.

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I was never a social media user, but I chose to release it with my legal name.

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I wasn’t hiding.

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I was really expecting there to be some pushback because it was really crazy, especially in my state in Australia, in Victoria.

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longest lockdowns in the world.

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And they were proud of it.

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And we had neighbors dobbing on, bringing the police because there was a car there that was, they hadn’t seen before.

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And it was insane.

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And yeah, so I chose to do that in the hopes that it would help inspire people, help show a bit of courage.

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And I don’t know how successful that has been.

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I guess.

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Does that answer your question?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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So we kind of we’re going to transition into your music in a second.

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Government approved EP.

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I’m going to pull a track off of there.

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And clearly, you know, you’ve got, you know, the punk you’ve mentioned, punk roots, anti-establishment.

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So when you write something politically charged, are you aiming to kind of, I think we kind of got into this, but are you aiming to provoke or

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worn or simply just express?

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I think I kind of asked that, but that’s a simpler, a little slight twist on it before we play one of the tracks.

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A lot of my stuff, I tend to just use it as a mirror for society without necessarily putting my views across explicitly.

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So I may just pick a topic that I’m

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I think isn’t getting represented correctly.

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the narrative is maybe showing it this way and I’ll sort of maybe put a different light on it.

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But that’s not always the case.

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Sometimes I get quite explicit with my own personal thoughts and feelings.

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But yeah, that’s probably the main thing I do.

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And a lot of the tracks and lyrics and stuff, I like to poke fun at the,

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what’s going on because I think that humor can help cut through as well.

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I agree.

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I agree.

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When we’re talking about serious topics.

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Yeah.

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All right, cool.

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Well, let’s play one of your tracks.

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So this one’s from the government approved EP.

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This is Daddy Government featuring Courage is the Cure.

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So I’ll play this track now.

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My daddy They only want what’s best for me My mommy and my daddy Yeah they reward or punish me Condition my behavior They’re always watching over me They want to control me

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But it’s only for my safety.

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Hey, did you hear?

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They just passed another tan.

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Oh wow, they just keep making us safer and safer, don’t they?

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My mommy and my daddy They simply rewrite history Change your words’ meaning And tell us what they need me to believe No one grew speech Buying, telling, labor Thought, actions, lives Religious technocrisy Is this the image of the

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You don’t make decisions for me I think you all know that I’ve always felt nine most terrifying words in the English language are

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Yeah, nah, mate.

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Look, you’re a pack of liars.

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Yeah, you’re thieves.

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You’re murderous psychopaths, and I don’t want anything to do with you.

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So get your beak out of our lies.

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Stop trying to tell us how to live.

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I’m not the child now anything.

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You don’t make decisions.

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the government doesn’t make a good parent does it and you know what I reckon anyone else they’d have their kids taken off.

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Of all right tell me a little bit about that track.

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Daddy government I wrote and recorded and I it just seemed to be missing something and I had the idea of turning it into a duet which I thought would hopefully make it a bit more fun um

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and courage is the cure, a.k.a.

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Robin is in the alternative news space.

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And we connected a while back and I, I thought it doesn’t need to be a professional singer doing the song.

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I thought it can be a bit rough and ready.

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And I thought, I’ll just see if she’s interested in doing it because I don’t have too many friends, of course.

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So anyway, Robin was great and she really knocked it out of the park anyway.

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So I’m really honored that she said yes.

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She’d give it a go.

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She’d never done it before and it turned out fantastic.

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I was really wrapped with the results.

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Is that you playing guitar, drums, bass?

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What’s the composition of that track?

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Yeah, so I generally do all the instruments and everything myself.

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Drums, I

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generally program those rather than record actual acoustic drums.

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I’d love to record acoustic drums.

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I just, my drum kit isn’t up to standard and neither is my drumming.

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So it is what it is.

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And yeah, look, I’m not a, you know, I’m a, what do you call it?

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G hobbyist.

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I’m not a professional.

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I’m not great at

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any instrument, but I have a crack.

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And especially for that EP, I was sort of looking to keep it kind of raw.

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There’s heaps of mistakes in there’s timing issues and all kinds of stuff.

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And I wanted to sort of keep a little bit of a punk vibe to it.

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And yeah, that EP, it was also a bit of an experiment.

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That track has a

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432 Hertz Solfeggio frequency running through the extent of the track, just reasonably quietly.

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But you can hear it if you’re listening for it.

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And each track has a different Solfeggio frequency tone running through the track and recording 432 Hertz.

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What’s the significance of that?

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So 432 Hertz, there’s studies, there’s

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I guess some consensus that 440 is less harmonious with the natural resonances that we have.

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And I experience that myself just anecdotally.

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And so I’ve been tuning to base A equals 432 rather than A equals 440 for a few years.

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For my music, it makes it a little difficult sometimes when you don’t have instruments that can be tuned that way, or string instruments, OK, and yeah, generally there’s I sort of stole that.

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solfeggio tones throughout the music from an acquaintance of mine, Alex Michael, or Conspiracy Music Guru.

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He’s got a three true solfeggio albums, he’s called them, where he bases a track around a solfeggio tone.

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So each track has one of those solfeggio healing tones.

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as the base of the track.

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So I want to be harder with the punk rock sort of style rather than his sort of relaxing instrumental music.

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Yeah.

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That’s fascinating.

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I feel like I’ve heard that once before, but I now I’m going to be inspired to research even more because that just, I mean, with music you get, it’s all vibration.

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Sound is all vibration.

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So there’s so much validity to that.

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And I do remember hearing that before, but I was going to ask you about the significance of that.

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So I’m glad that you dove in.

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But you also talked about, your different genres that you play.

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So this one obviously kind of leans towards that alternative or that punk rock.

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And I’m just curious, what other styles have you experimented with or have you recorded it in?

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Everything.

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There’s very little I haven’t like experimented in.

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I just, I just enjoy, I enjoy all music, all genres.

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And so I’ve had a go at all of them.

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I’m not, I’m not a specialist at any sort of 1 genre, but from all the younger days in band days, it was always, rock and metal.

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It was sort of the main thing, funk, that sort of stuff.

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But yeah, I do a lot of acoustic stuff these days.

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I’ve gotten a bit older and I’ve calmed down a bit, but I sort of let rip it back to the heavier, well, the edgier stuff.

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And in this one, that track was, I sort of, the idea was I would make essentially, there’s four tracks on that EP and they all sort of are representative of different eras of what I would loosely coin as punk.

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sort of, raw music.

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So that was the idea, each track representing a sort of a different era.

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Well, I dig it.

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And I like the raw sound as well.

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I mean, you can tell that it’s just like, I don’t know, having fun in the studio type of thing.

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And you talked about humor being part of it.

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So I’m going to shift gears just a little bit here because I found, you know, we connected through Noster.

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And you mentioned that you hadn’t been doing social media at all before.

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And I really got away from it for a while, but I saw Noster.

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I discovered it through, different types of things and realized that there’s actually, this is like the early days of Facebook, and I hate to compare it because Facebook sucks, but like the early days where social media was the Wild West and it was just open and Noster captures that essence.

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and is bringing it kind of forward.

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So obviously I know you’re on Noster because that’s where I found you.

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So I’m just curious, how did you get into Noster?

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Someone mentioned it a little while, like 2023, someone mentioned it as a way to, she mentioned that people were releasing music decentralized.

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I hadn’t heard of it.

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I created a profile, did one post.

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I didn’t know how it worked and I just forgot about it.

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Then the social media bands in Australia under 16s were banned, which essentially meant everyone had to authenticate their age, which is ushering in of digital IDs and everything for the entire population.

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And I had

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or decided I wasn’t going to comply.

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So I remembered Noster and I thought, let’s have a look.

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It’s been a couple of years.

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So I joined back in, I think it was either December or January.

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And then I remembered, hey, the music sort of things.

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And yeah, then I’ve learned how to do it.

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Yeah, even started a podcast.

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I just, when I do things, I tend to jump in a little bit feet first and

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try and learn as much as I can so that I am not entirely lost and then just go for it and there’s awesome people on.

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Noster and just a podcasting 2.0 community in general that just bail me out all the time.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, it sucked me in like a vortex once I started seeing what was going on in the V4V community.

00:18:14 Speaker 1

So yeah, so just a little dive into your show, V4V Music Spotlight, right?

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So you do a similar like this, right?

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Where you interview a guest and you play their music.

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What is your goal?

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What is your mission that you want to do by

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continuing that show and why did you start it, et cetera, et cetera?

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Yeah, the essential goal is to grow the space and introduce it to people that aren’t aware of it because I was completely ignorant up until eight months ago, 6, eight months ago.

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So, and just to

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help promote and showcase that there’s these awesome artists in there that’s, sorry, not releasing their music through decentralized means.

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And yeah, that’s the goal.

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And I’m trying to differentiate it a little bit by getting more into, you know, the weeds a little bit of, you know, how they’re recording, how they’re songwriting, maybe even some technical

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stuff about the studio gear they’re using and things like that because I didn’t think that was, well, I hadn’t seen that in any of the existing music podcasts in that decentralized V for V space.

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So yeah, but although the existing podcasts are great, I just thought they were mostly targeting the preaching to the choir, you know, they weren’t reaching out too far.

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And

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I didn’t want to stand upon their toes as well within the existing community.

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So that’s the point of difference I tried to go for.

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So you mentioned your entrance into at least the Noster zone and then what brought you to the V for V zone was really that government oppression, that state oppression, and that brought you there.

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Do you find that the upside of the space, like the boosts, the direct

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connection, the Lightning Bitcoin connection is something that, did you, first of all, is that something that you discovered prior to or was that part of your discovery in V4V as well?

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I’m still working that side out.

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Gotcha, gotcha.

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I have 0 background in that at all.

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So I’m sort of learning as I go.

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I enjoy the

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the community side of things where, if you’ve got your music on Spotify, that latest album government approved, I’d already decided I wasn’t going to release all the EP.

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I wasn’t going to release that on Spotify and those platforms.

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I’d only released it on Bandcamp.

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And that’s, you don’t get anything from, well, you’re just giving your music away to people that pay Spotify.

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And so it costs me money to actually have that music on those platforms.

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Whereas this, it doesn’t cost me anything to release it this way.

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And I don’t have Bandcamp taking a cut if they want to, if they do want to, I’d always release it for free anyway.

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So it was just pay what you want.

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but the community, so I’ve been able to message the artists directly.

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I really find that really valuable.

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I really appreciate that sort of things that you just don’t get from those big platforms.

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You’re just a nameless number that sits in a black box that you have zero idea what’s going on, basically.

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And it’s months later that you find out, oh, you’ve had so many streams or whatever.

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So yeah.

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So what do you think the future of decentralized music and V4V is?

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Do you see this space growing?

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Do you see it ever dying or complete opposite?

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It’s stagnated, I think.

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It came a long way basically before I discovered it very fast.

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And then it’s stagnated A lot.

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There’s some really great people

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working on things in the background to resolve issues, to make it easier for people to actually jump in.

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You don’t have to learn about all this technology to lower those hurdles for getting involved.

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I just interviewed Christian Luenberg, who’s just releasing a music player app.

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which that’s the goal for that app is to lower those hurdles for people getting involved and getting started.

00:22:59 Speaker 1

So what is your advice to people who completely, I guess, what is your advice to creators who are not in the space or not aware of the space at all?

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You’ve got nothing to lose is my advice.

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There’s a few hurdles.

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If you’re paying for a podcasting service already, a podcast hosting service, it probably is already all baked in.

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A lot of those podcasting hosts have everything baked in.

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You just need to tick some boxes.

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I’m doing the self-hosting sort of thing.

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So I’ve got to create the RSS feeds for my music and the podcast.

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There’s a bit of a learning curve there, but there’s some great tools like music side project for music, which

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You had Chad F on recently talking about.

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And yeah, you can be in full control of how it all works.

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There’s no middlemen.

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And that’s the part I like.

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And you know, it really doesn’t have it doesn’t cost you anything to do that sort of thing.

00:24:02 Speaker 1

All right.

00:24:02 Speaker 1

Well, so is there anything else that you wanted to touch on or anything else you just wanted to talk about before we close it out?

00:24:15 Speaker 2

Yeah, I don’t know.

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I’m just, I’m always working on new music, but I am a bit slow.

00:24:19 Speaker 2

And this podcast, my new podcast, I’ve just had an episode, I think it’s five or six, I can’t remember.

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That’s taking a lot more time than I realized.

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just the editing side of things.

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So hopefully I’ll have some new music out and maybe some good collaborations with some names that people will recognize from the V for V music space.

00:24:47 Speaker 1

Absolutely.

00:24:47 Speaker 1

So where do people go to find you, your podcast and your music?

00:24:53 Speaker 2

So you’ll find me on faith.com.

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That’s PHAFE.com.

00:25:01 Speaker 2

I had some issues with Linktree.

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putting restrictions on my account because apparently my content was deemed not sanctioned or whatever.

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my music and my music videos, so they didn’t like it.

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So I decided to basically make a link tree alternative.

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And so you’ll find me on there.

00:25:21 Speaker 2

Yeah.

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If there’s any other artists that I’ve got a few other artists that have also come on board with that link tree alternative as well.

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just get away from those platforms, decentralize.

00:25:36 Speaker 1

All right, man.

00:25:36 Speaker 1

Well, thanks for coming on the show and let’s keep in touch and keep these conversations going.

00:25:41 Speaker 2

Brilliant.

00:25:42 Speaker 2

Thanks a lot, Rollers.

00:25:43 Speaker 2

It’s been awesome.

00:25:43 Speaker 1

All right, man.

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